going on my first over nighter
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solocanoe
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wow....why no fire? that'd turn an outing into punishment for me! 
anywho....try to make a micro climate as best you can.
whelen - type ends and a front of visquene....a 12 hour candle.... somehow you gotta try to control the temp's.
I'm not a bag person, but as good a mat as you can improvise is probably a good idea too.
good luck!
anywho....try to make a micro climate as best you can.
whelen - type ends and a front of visquene....a 12 hour candle.... somehow you gotta try to control the temp's.
I'm not a bag person, but as good a mat as you can improvise is probably a good idea too.
good luck!
OutdoorEnvy
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Yeah it be hard with no fire or stove. Bring an extra blanket of wool or fleece and possibly some hand or feet warmers if you have them. Out of curiousity what's holding you back from having a fire?
Make sure you have insulation between you and the ground and bring an extra blanket or quilt to augment your bag.
OutdoorEnvy
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LOL...Atleast your aware of it or maybe learned the hardway. Just an idea you could chop down a big log and lay it between you and fire so if you rolled you'd hit the log and not the fire. (Of course don't put the log close enough to the fire that it would catch) Good luck to ya.
good idea thanks
PropThePolecat
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Fill a Nalgene bottle with hot water and place it inside you sleeping bag. It will give you plenty of heat to warm your body through the tonight. And don't forget some light weight head gear to prevent you from losing too much heat through your head.
Keep a pee bottle near by so you don't have to get out of your sleeping bag in the middle of the night.
The disposable chemical hand warmers may help.They do make some larger ones that are about 4" x 6" and have an adhesive back that you can stick over your thermals at your kidneys. I think they are rated to last 6 to 8 hours.I use them while stand hunting and they help a lot.
dog.breath
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Lesson learned from experience: If your sleeping bag is very compressible, put your extra blanket on the inside of your bag. That way it doesn't compress the top of your bag and kill it's loft - that loft provides the insulating layer of dead air you need for your bag to be effective at containing your body heat.
RandallFlagg
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Eat a big dinner; digestion will warm your body some.
get some electric warming socks and underwear's ... and put them on, and in your sleeping bag
Bushwacker73
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Don't worry about it. Your body will do its best to keep you warm by shivering before you freeze to death in your sleep.
oh dont u worry about it i got permisson to have a fire
We are getting hit with a snow storm right now. I think I would put a stake in the ground behind me and put a rope around my wrist to keep me from rolling into the fire before I went without one.
I usually use a tent, and a tent tends to be a couple degrees warmer inside than out. Maybe not enough for you or the differential between bag rating and actual temp, but some help none the less.
I thought you were supposed to have some space between you and the fire- enough to get out of the shelter without being over the fire. That should be enough space to keep all but the worst night-flops from turing into a firey situation. The reflector directs the heat into the shelter, not entirely how close the coals are. It that wrong?
Extra blankets, hand warmers, good under insulation, a good meal, etc. are all great suggestions- I've used them all and I think the all work. Newspapers I hear are a cheep additional solution to a pad. Not sure how much though. I like a hot cup of tea with honey and a thick hat. I wear my long underwear inside my bag, and a clean dry pair of wool sock until the bag warms up. I'm a "hot sleeper" though, at least until early morning.
Sometimes you just have to get up and start cooking- even at 4 am when you can't sleep anymore. If your shivering, it is a bad sign. get up. get warm by any means available. Have fun!!!
I thought you were supposed to have some space between you and the fire- enough to get out of the shelter without being over the fire. That should be enough space to keep all but the worst night-flops from turing into a firey situation. The reflector directs the heat into the shelter, not entirely how close the coals are. It that wrong?
Extra blankets, hand warmers, good under insulation, a good meal, etc. are all great suggestions- I've used them all and I think the all work. Newspapers I hear are a cheep additional solution to a pad. Not sure how much though. I like a hot cup of tea with honey and a thick hat. I wear my long underwear inside my bag, and a clean dry pair of wool sock until the bag warms up. I'm a "hot sleeper" though, at least until early morning.
Sometimes you just have to get up and start cooking- even at 4 am when you can't sleep anymore. If your shivering, it is a bad sign. get up. get warm by any means available. Have fun!!!
hughewil
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yep put the log between you and the fire so you won't roll into it and use a fire.
akbound
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If one is available you can put a mylar blanket on top of your sleeping pad and under your sleeping bag, pulling it up some in the rear of your bag. (Do not roll it tightly around your bag or it (and you) will likely be soaked (from perspiration) by morning. It will help some by reflecting heat back towards you and the bag from the bottom.
Roll up inside the blanket, inside your sleeping bag. Insure you have good insulative, dry, clean socks on before getting in the bag and have some type of "sleeping" or "watch" type cap on your head as well. A wool blend for either will likely work better than most other material types.
In winter weather there is little advantage to using a simple tarp lean-to shelter, but plenty of disadvantage. Without a fire it is far better to try to create a "dead-air" space around you and your bag, much easier to do with a tent (for instance) than a simple lean-to. The real advantage of the lean-to in the winter (other than allowing great open air views) is the fact it works so well as a reflector to harness the warmth created and cast by a fire! Without the fire it can be pretty miserable in extremely cold, blowing, snowing, weather. On the other hand with a simple "reflected" fire burning all night it can be a completely comfortable, wonderful, experience.
P.S. You don't have to be right on top of the fire to make it comfortable; especially if you have a good reflector wall behind it (and another behind you as well, i.e. the lean-to).
Roll up inside the blanket, inside your sleeping bag. Insure you have good insulative, dry, clean socks on before getting in the bag and have some type of "sleeping" or "watch" type cap on your head as well. A wool blend for either will likely work better than most other material types.
In winter weather there is little advantage to using a simple tarp lean-to shelter, but plenty of disadvantage. Without a fire it is far better to try to create a "dead-air" space around you and your bag, much easier to do with a tent (for instance) than a simple lean-to. The real advantage of the lean-to in the winter (other than allowing great open air views) is the fact it works so well as a reflector to harness the warmth created and cast by a fire! Without the fire it can be pretty miserable in extremely cold, blowing, snowing, weather. On the other hand with a simple "reflected" fire burning all night it can be a completely comfortable, wonderful, experience.
P.S. You don't have to be right on top of the fire to make it comfortable; especially if you have a good reflector wall behind it (and another behind you as well, i.e. the lean-to).
Put more insulation under you than over you, the ground sucks out heat terribly. Put a mylar "Space" blanket then a sleeping pad or blanket under you, and hang another mylar blanket in the back of your lean-to as a reflector. The fire out front will heat your shelter fine, and don't need to be very close to do it. Keep firewood handy that you can reach without getting out of bed so you can build up the fire during the night.
Wear a hooded sweatshirt for pj top. Keep the hood up to keep your head warm.
Wear a hooded sweatshirt for pj top. Keep the hood up to keep your head warm.
OutdoorEnvy
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Sounds cool man...Enjoy the stars and the peace. If I get too hot in my bed later I'll think of you...haha
haha LOL, its getting a little nippy, and my flashlight died ,and my headlamp died too, so no light but the fire and the moon.
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Lesson number two bro: Check your batteries before you go out and take spares.:54:
Sounds so good so far. Around 3 to 4 am will be the determining time...thats about rock bottom coldest. If you can weather that, you're good to dawn.
That fire is your friend. Keep extra wood close by and lay a big ol' log in the fire before you drift off if you have one. Banking the fire helps keep it and you going all night.
I've done near-single digits with no heat, but good ground insulation and extra blankets (as an old guy...what I could do as a kid is nothing but legend now!)
Remember, if you get too cold, there is no shame in going inside to warm up and regroup. better to do that than risk things going really bad. It's about having fun and learning. if that's missing, then the point has been missed anyways.
Looking to hear from you in the morning!
Maybe make a raised bed if worried about rolling into the fire. Then you can tie a cord the length of your body on the fire side to keep you from rolling out. Or just use 2 stakes in the ground and tie the cord the same way.