Thinking about joining the Air Force for SERE instructor training.


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I'm 26, father of a 2yo, married to a wife who isn't so keen on the idea.

So am I out of my mind?

I was online exploring different outdoor/survival "schools" mostly out of fantasy. I could never afford to go to a school like NOLs or BOSS. then lo and behold I stumble upon this http://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere/ and Have been trying to dig up as much info as I can. I even gave the military my information *wife gasps* in an effort to gather more info.

I love bushcraft. I always have. I had always assumed that military survival instructors were always old salts, former pow's or retired special forces badass-rambo types. I had no Idea that they had a career track position... I wish I had found out about this when I was 18. anyways, it's been less than 24hrs and I'm making myself sick about it.

It wouldn't be such a difficult decision if I already had a career, but I'm in a time of transition anyway. community college full time, trying to explore my options. I was considering Environmental science, but my interests change frequently, there truly are too many possible outcomes.

I decided to post in the hopes that someone would either talk me down, convince me that this is truly a pipe dream. Or tell me to just do it. There must be people with military experience floating around here, please share your thoughts.
 
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Check out the hulu "Survival School" videos
and gosere.com ( I think thats down right now) good info on what its really all about and a small glimpse of the training

Best wishes
M/BK
 
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If you've only been considering this for less than 24 hours then you need to do a bit more research. Joining the military is a serious commitment. If this is truly a dream of yours then go after it but if you're luke warm just wait. No one could have kept me from chasing my dreams. A career in SERE school is a far cry from a one week survival course that you can't afford at the time though.
 
Joining the military is not all fun and games. I don't know about the Air Force but when I was in the USMC, a lot of people were assigned to billets not in their MOS.

So what do you do if you join, get SERE trained, and end up loading jets instead?

Plus a wife and 2yo, I wouldn't do it.
 
You join the military, and indicate your _preference- for career fields. Then, after basic, they assign you wherever they have an opening, and your "preference " is about the last detail considered.

Join if the air Force seems a good career, but don't plan on getting any assignment if they won't put it in writing. ;)
 
go for it

i was in the Army for 21 years and loved every minute of it. just retired 2 1/2 years ago and still miss it. SERE training was one of the best schools i ever went to and was taught by some really great and commited instructors.
 
Do it, Lorax!! I went through SERE back in the early 90's. To be honest, it is what got me started in bushcraft. Good luck!
 
Are you are 100% super motivated to be in the military ? or are you just wanting the outdoor survival school experience ? Joining the military is a very serious undertaking.
Take your time on this.
 
It's a tough school.
They graduated 4 sere specialist the cycle before last. This last cycle they graduated 40. That's out of hundreds of candidates.
But you can do it for sure if you set your mind to it.
They are operational now so that means you will probably be going to war zones so keep that in mind. It's not the same career field as it was in the past from what I understand.
Talk to Ia woodsman, he's been through that school and was a sere instructor. He'll give you the info you need to make an informed decision.
Good luck, my friend.
 
You join the military, and indicate your _preference- for career fields. Then, after basic, they assign you wherever they have an opening, and your "preference " is about the last detail considered...

Actually when you enlist you'll go through a series of tests to determine what your aptitude is. Then you career field "training will be guarenteed by virtue of your enlistment contract. If there is no opening in said choice of career field then you won't even be allowed to enlist.

What is NOT guarenteed is that you will pass said training. If you wash out of the training the Air Force MAY (and I stress "MAY") offer you another career field choice. But the norm is to seperate if you wash out of most career fields (SERE instructor washout rate is high though so there is a good chance you might be offered a second choice after a washout)

IF you graduate as a SERE Instructor you will definitely NOT be used outside of that career field for now. Sometime in the future (years from now) if the career field becomes "over-manned" (any career field) then you may be offerred the choice to retrain or be denied re-enlistment. This option (in any career field) usually goes first to volunteers, and only becomes mandatory if there aren't enough volunteers in the needed pay grades. In my experience even when retraining becomes mandatory, only the ones who were marginal performers in the overage career field get directed to retrain.

Do a lot of research; and I mean A LOT! before you enlist. If possible, consider the Air Force Reserves or Air National Guard before going active duty.
 
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Wow, thanks for all the input. so much to reply to. I didn't mean to make it sound like joining the military was no big thing, obviously it's a huge commitment, and requires alot of research.

This is a joke, right? I had a lot more written but this is just so out there that it can't be real. You want to enlist because you can't afford a civilian week long survival class? You would even consider it after your wife said no? wow.....

I said my wife wasn't "keen" on the idea, regardless, I wear the pants in our relationship.

also BOSS and NOLs aren't "week long survival class" they are as legitimate an education one can get in outdoor leadership. Last I heard educational opportunities was one of the only reason to join the military... am I right?

this is what I came here for, but I got to say I don't appreciate your tone. but, maybe it is I who is being a jerk off...
 
If it's what you really want no one will talk you out of it and no one can talk you into it just think long and hard talk to a recruiter and find all the info you can if it's what you really want no point in asking what people think or asking to be talked into or out of it if you do that you don't really want it in my opinion sorry if this was rude
 
You join the military, and indicate your _preference- for career fields. Then, after basic, they assign you wherever they have an opening, and your "preference " is about the last detail considered.

Join if the air Force seems a good career, but don't plan on getting any assignment if they won't put it in writing. ;)

+1 on this. My experience was that the detailers will consider what you want to do, but the needs of the service come first. Even if it is in writing, I would not look at it like a contract that the military has to honor. I would think long and hard about your motivations before signing up. The military is unlike a civilian career - you can't just quit if the reality is not what you had expected.

When you sign up, you are putting yourself at the service of the country - if that means getting paid to do neat and exciting things, that's great, but if it means sitting in an office doing paperwork for a couple of years or getting shipped out to some remote post with nothing to do in your limited time off, that is also honorable service. Just think about how you and your family would feel if you don't get your dream post. If just serving where you are needed most will be satisfaction enough for you and your family, then go for it. Even if the military is not what you expect, you will still have the chance to learn and grow more than you can imagine. Good luck with your plans -
 
father of a 2yo, married to a wife who isn't so keen on the idea.

Good reason right there to give some serious thought! Being a husband, father, and grandfather, I can say right from the git-go that your family is your first obligation! With the military being reduced by 50,000 troops in the near future (under the current administration), I think I would look elsewhere for my entertainment and career. Be there to watch that 2-year-old grow up! I missed the first year of our oldest daughters life, while in the military, and I wouldn't make that mistake again if I had a choice in the matter.

Good luck! :)
 
If it's what you really want no one will talk you out of it and no one can talk you into it just think long and hard talk to a recruiter and find all the info you can if it's what you really want no point in asking what people think or asking to be talked into or out of it if you do that you don't really want it in my opinion sorry if this was rude

you're absolutely right Sean, this is just part of how I do my research I'm dragging the interwebs. I'd say trolling(fishing), but people would get the wrong idea. Alot of times people will bring up things I never would of thought of. I will talk to a recruiter, but only after I've made up my mind. The internet is great in that it's a large source of people who stand absolutely nothing to gain from my decisions. I cannot fully trust a recruiter who is trying to meet his quota. But I can trust people like you. well not just you, I wait until I've heard the same sort of thing a bunch of times before it becomes semi-solid info in my mind. thanks!
 
you're absolutely right Sean, this is just part of how I do my research I'm dragging the interwebs. I'd say trolling(fishing), but people would get the wrong idea. Alot of times people will bring up things I never would of thought of. I will talk to a recruiter, but only after I've made up my mind. The internet is great in that it's a large source of people who stand absolutely nothing to gain from my decisions. I cannot fully trust a recruiter who is trying to meet his quota. But I can trust people like you. well not just you, I wait until I've heard the same sort of thing a bunch of times before it becomes semi-solid info in my mind. thanks!

Hey what ever works best for you I honestly know nothing on the career beside what the air force site says I just wish you luck for what ever you chose for you and your family
 
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26 years in the Army and I don't recall a bad day, some were just better than others. The training was fantastic as well as hard but, it all paid off in the end. Would I do it again? ABSO"F in" LUTELY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
If you decide to talk to a recruiter do not let them talk you into an open choice if the career you want is not currently available. Back in 84 I got talked into an Open Electronics career field and ended up stuffing bombs on airplanes for 11 years. As long as you have it on a signed contract you will get the chance to get into training for that job. Completeing training is up to you.
As far as being married realize that for the first eight weeks (basic) you will not be seeing your wife and 2 year old more than once or twice. During training it will be up to the SERE School or the Base when you show up for training whether you will live in the dorms or off base with your wife. The Military can be good or bad, it's all in what you make it. Your wife will basically be a single mom while your at training and on any deployments, they do have help for the spouses but it is still hard on them.
Good luck with your decision.

Bob
 
PLEASE think long and hard about this. No need to rush. You can always join in 6 months or a year from now but once you join, you can't "unjoin". That's all the more reason to take your time before making this decision.

The first thing I would do is take the FREE bushclass courses offered on this site.....fionish those classes, get your basic and intermediate tabs, then see what happens after that. The "worst" thing that will happen is that you will learn a lot of new skills, which are always useful later.
 
Consider my mistakes and experiences please.

I'm 26, father of a 2yo, married to a wife who isn't so keen on the idea.

So am I out of my mind?

I was online exploring different outdoor/survival "schools" mostly out of fantasy. I could never afford to go to a school like NOLs or BOSS. then lo and behold I stumble upon this http://www.airforce.com/careers/detail/survival-evasion-resistance-and-escape-sere/ and Have been trying to dig up as much info as I can. I even gave the military my information *wife gasps* in an effort to gather more info.

I love bushcraft. I always have. I had always assumed that military survival instructors were always old salts, former pow's or retired special forces badass-rambo types. I had no Idea that they had a career track position... I wish I had found out about this when I was 18. anyways, it's been less than 24hrs and I'm making myself sick about it.

It wouldn't be such a difficult decision if I already had a career, but I'm in a time of transition anyway. community college full time, trying to explore my options. I was considering Environmental science, but my interests change frequently, there truly are too many possible outcomes.

I decided to post in the hopes that someone would either talk me down, convince me that this is truly a pipe dream. Or tell me to just do it. There must be people with military experience floating around here, please share your thoughts.

The short answer:

If I was married and had children, I would not join the military end of discussion.

If you care to read more, I’ll share with you my own life experience. I'm soon going to be 47, and this is what I've learned about the Military, a wife, and children I've fathered:

I joined the Marine Corps because I like shooting, blowing things up, and aircraft. I figured that there just had to be a job in there that I’d love. I couldn’t have been more wrong.

If the wife's against it, I wouldn't go in. I may not seem like she’s having much issue with it, or that she’ll deal with it like she’s dealt with other things, but it could break the marriage. I made a huge mistake of assuming that my wife would be ok with anything I did providing I wasn’t cheating on her or treating her bad. I was wrong, very wrong, and it cost me my marriage.

If you don't make sure to get a contract legally binding the military to honor your MOS of choice for your entire tour, I wouldn't join. I made that mistake myself. Since my GT score was rather high at 120 something out of a possible 150, the recruiter told me that I’d get a job that required smarts and I wouldn’t get stuck in the infantry. Well he was right, I didn’t get stuck in the infantry. I was one step above them in the artillery, but it’s what I consider being a mud Marine, and I wanted to go into the air wing not the mud Marines.

I would never subject my wife to men in the military. Since the military's made up of people from all walks of life, there are frequently large groups of brash rude men on military bases that are worse than construction workers. While it’s true that his goes on in the civilian world, it’s different because as a civilian, I can choose where I live and go with my family. In the military, I’m stuck where I am, and most military bases have large groups of crude men and a deficit of young attractive women...

I was never deployed anywhere. I never got to go on any floats either. This may sound like I was static and always main side, but I wasn’t. I was stationed at Camp Lejeune N.C. I went to Ft. Bragg twice a year. We just called them brags. Brags lasted at least four weeks, and I was in the field the entire time. We got phone calls once a week, but snail mail was our only line of communication with the outside. We went to 29 Palms California each summer, and it lasted three to four months, and communication with the outside world was via snail mail. Right there alone, I would have been away from the wife with her at home alone in a strange area with no friends or family for four or five months out of the year. I was frequently in the field at Camp Lejeune. I’d say that I spent at least 8 or 9 months of each year out in the field. I used to wonder why some men got married because they were out in the field away from their wives for months on end.

Divorce was very common as well as infidelities. In fact, while I was in, most of the men in my battery loved to hear about some unit getting deployed because they’d go to bars and e clubs near where the unit was stationed, and lo and behold, the bar was full of recently deployed “X” unit wives looking for some lovin’. Dragging wives along in the military puts the wife in a position where she feels isolated because she's hundreds and sometimes thousands of miles away from friends, family, and what she calls home. Now toss in the fact that you're away on a float, deployment, or in the field, it's no wonder why so many wives of military personnel stray. I'm not saying this will happen to you, but it could and it's something to consider. It was my experience that this was pretty common with men I was stationed with.

We’re in a war and have been for quite some time now. With our foreign policy, it looks like we’re going to be entangled in battles more in the future than we’ve been in the past. While you may never see actual combat, you will probably get stationed overseas in a combat area with a supporting unit for at least one year. For each airman/sailor/soldier/Marine in combat, there are more than ten personnel in support, so the chances are good for a lengthy tour overseas that will last at least one year. Most people I know that are your age and have been through the military, served two – three tours in Iraq and or Afghanistan. Most of them weren’t in infantry.

I don’t know what the military’s like today. When I got assigned to field artillery rather than the air wing, I thought, “Well, I like to machinegun, shoot, and blow junk up, so I guess it’s ok.” We never shot enough to offset the dull moments in my opinion. I cut a god-awful amount of battalion lawn, and scrubbed and cleaned more floors than a building maintenance man. My first year out of the Corps, I shot more machineguns and blew stuff up with the neighbor than my entire length of service in the Corps.

If I was married and the wife was against my joining the military, I would not join. Don’t take your wife and child for granted or mistakenly think that they’ll always be there for you because they won’t. Marriage is hard enough, the military will put a lot of new strains on your marriage that the civilian world won’t. While you’re gone, your wife is going to be alone. She’ll be stuck in an area with no friends or family hundreds if not thousands of miles away from what she calls home. If she’s against your being in the military, this could exacerbate her problems, and it could spell the beginning of the end of your marriage.
 
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Excellent post cheap n squeaky, glad you took the time to do so, right on the money.

I was stationed at 29 Palms, never was interested in hooking up with someones wife but man, they did flock to the bars during field exercises, like you said.
 
There is a lot of thinking to do about military life, more so with a family involved. I made some rash decisions when I joined the Marines. I actually wanted to join the Coast Guard but there were no more slots for that fiscal year so I went to the Marines. Now I don't regret my decision but if I had to go do it again I might have given it more thought about where I wanted the military to take me.

Family life in the military is hard no doubt. In any branch. Even as a reservist my family life has been put to the test, I spent a lot of time away and missed a lot of stuff. It put some strains on my wife and I. I was very lucky to have a wife who was supportive of what I was doing. My advise is get in touch with some SERE folks, make sure you ask questions about the family aspects of AF life as it pertains to you doing your job.

All that said I cherish my time in the service and I think it's a great thing. Had circumstances been a bit diferant I would have re-uped or gone over to the Coasties. Best of luck to you, You can ask a 100 guys and get 100 diferant answers but in the end it's a very personal thing to choose to do.
 
Excellent post cheap n squeaky, glad you took the time to do so, right on the money.

I was stationed at 29 Palms, never was interested in hooking up with someones wife but man, they did flock to the bars during field exercises, like you said.

we called them West-Pac widdows.

PS this isn't a knock on all military wives or the family life at all. Just trying to show you that it is a 180 from the civilian world. I know the AF has an overall better quality of life for its members and such but it is a very differant world.
 
I did 4 years in the navy and i agree with cheapnsqueaky's post it is very accurate. Let me say a few things and see if they help.
1) If you are dead set on joining but aren't sure, join the reserves. you still get through boot camp and still have to chose your rating but you get to do all of this at a slower pace. 1 weekend a month and 1 week a year isn't bad and still gives you the opportunity to transition to full time regular military if you want.
2) If you are already in college make them pay for it and then do the required tour of service. Which while you are in, you will be an "officer" and not "enlisted" and you will have completed and earned a degree that they paid for. We had lots of new officers who were doing this. It's actually a pretty good deal. some of them stayed past the 2 years and some didn't.
3) No matter what a recruiter tells you, Go in as an officer. don't believe the hype about they have special enlisted to officer programs and all that crap. those programs are few and far between and have lots of strings attached. finish school and join as an officer or have them pay for it and join as an officer. either way the long and short of it is that A) officers make more money starting out. B) You start out in charge as an officer, you give orders more than you take them. our Division officers were straight out of school ensigns. all of our enlisted persons answered to them regardless of rank or time in. C) your quality of life is VERY VERY good compared to enlisted personell. Better and Separate Food, living quarters and responsibilities.
4) Officers are managers and enlisted are employees. this is how your military life starts and continues in varying degrees. but that's it in a nutshell. Do you want to start out as a manager and skip all of the the rank climbing or do you want to be an employee and start out as low as the totem pole goes. Do you want to clean bathrooms and carry garbage. or do you want to tell someone to do it. the choice is yours.
5) GET IT IN WRITING. IF IT'S NOT ON AN OFFICIAL DOCUMENT THEN IT IS NOT LEGIT. This is the most important. If you ignore all of my advice above, remember this above all else. if its not in writing then it doesn't exist. it's that simple. No matter what anyone tells you, uncle sam doesn't do a damn thing for anyone unless they have it in writing. if you don't have documentation for something... salary, signing bonus, military rating\designation, promise of training or schooling then you are at the mercy of who ever feels like doing something with you. before you sign anything make sure you know what it is you are signing and that it's what you want.
6) military family life is hard on you and hard on your family. Long deployments...extensions. standing duty rotations every few days, communications blackouts ect ect. you will miss important events...i will say it again....you WILL miss important family events. Birthdays, graduations, deaths, holidays. you WILL miss them, it's that simple. Not all, but some. Your family at times will have to make due with out you. You WILL NOT be around to help with some things. Some work will not get done because you will not be there. Some decisions will be made without you because you will not be there. those are facts, come to terms with it now. If you are not sure that your wife can run the household to your standard while you are unavailable then you need to think long and hard about it.
7) Unless you have an extremely independent wife, she will struggle and she will not be happy about it. Women don't get married so they can struggle raising a family on their own. the get married because they know that they can do more as a team than they can alone. Her happiness will affect yours.
8) Do you have issues with authority? How about Stupid or bad decisions? If you have problems being told what to do constantly then it may not be for you. if you don't like doing things someone elses way and prefer to keep your own council then it may not be for you. If you have issues with being giving Instructions/orders that are stupid or bad, keeping in mind at all times that you must carry out your orders as instructed no matter how dumb or counterproductive then you need to think about this a little more. the military is notorious for doing really stupid and tedious crap for no reason other than just doing it.
9) Deployment, some duty stations are ok but most stink. You have to go/move your family to where the billet for your job is. if you want to progress, you will have to move. some billets are in the most god forsaken armpits of the world and there is a real possibility that you may have to go there. Columbia, Afghanistan, Korea, Mayport Florida. Think about it.

So finally i say that the above is what's true. They are the facts, they are what actually happens to you. Look them over and think about each one and try to make a good decision. The opinion piece of this is that if you see yourself as an individual, if you see yourself as a fully realize man, an autonomus person, someone that does not need to be torn down to the very ground and be rebuilt piece by piece the way the military needs you to be then it's not for you. but if you think that you don't know who you are yet and truly have no direction or intrests, and that you need focus and constant instruction to form yourself into a better person, then this is something to think about and consider a good choice. If you asked me if i would do it again. Personally i would not do 4 years of enlisted service again. I would have signed up for 2 and come on home. ideally i would have gone to college on their dime and did the service that way. I learned alot about people and myself while i was in. I realized it wasn't a career for me. Good luck! I hope this helps a little.
 
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It is a big deal my friend. I loved the Marine Corps and served 6 wonderful years, but after 1st deployment and not seeing my daughter for a little over a year and then another 2yr deployment coming up I opted out when my time came up instead of reenlisting.
If you have only been seriously considering this for 24 hours then you honestly need to take about 6 months to think about it. Consider the pay, locations, time away from home, and if what duty stations available will allow families to join you? TALK TO SOME VETS AS MUCH AS YOU CAN!!!! Get the right information and btw your recruiter WILL LIE so he can get his monthly numbers with helps with HIS promotions.
Just get all your questions answered and then ask more. It's a lifestyle not just a normal job and you will be bringing your family into it with you.


The only reason I left the Marines was bc I the only thing I loved more was my family.

Semper Fi
 
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