Bye bye Glock.


Yes … the famous line, “what difference at this point does it make?” The powers that be have figured out the weakness of our justice system: swarm it frivolously, swarm it with a culture that encourages crime, overwhelm it to the point speedy trials, due process and presumption of innocence are forgotten. Then just blatantly push legislation that you know wouldn’t pass the Constitutional test, but you know that it will take a lot of time, energy and money to bring it to court, if it ever does, because the system is intentionally clogged. SCOTUS only picks up a small fraction of the cases sent their way, so violations of the constitution remain in effect until they get around to hearing the case.

This is a similar problem that citizens face across the globe, even in countries with functioning democracies. There are often mechanisms to reverse decisions made by a public body or person who enforces something incorrectly, for example if you're wrongfully arrested and/or charged for a crime that you actually haven't committed, because the police or prosecutor or legislators are interpreting the law incorrectly.

Yes, in the end you will be let free (or the law will be overturned) but in the interim you've had your freedoms denied, mounted up a whole lot of expenses, probably lost your job and maybe even your family. The people responsible go "Oops, nevermind" and move on with their lives whilst you are left to deal with the consequences.

It's a real flaw in the system of all of our western democracies, in my opinion.
 
There is a quote from an Airforce veteran & auto mechanic that has always stuck with me...
"I was always willing to be reasonable until I had to be unreasonable. Sometimes reasonable men must do unreasonable things."
 
It is well past time to start charging some (all) of these clowns federally.
Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 - Conspiracy Against Rights
Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
Ten years behind bars might do some of these clowns some good. Until these people are held personally responsible nothing will change. They pass laws that they know will not pass muster, after a few years the law is found unconstitutional, they move a few commas and pass the same B.S. again. Funny how nothing is "settled law" until they get their way. 🤬 🤬 🤬 Come on NRA, GOA, et al. start using some of that lobbying mussel and push for indictments.
 
From what I’ve found on the “situation” is that striker fired pistols that use a cruciform trigger mechanism (such as the stamped metal Glock type cruciform trigger bar/sear.)

It also seems the wording is stopping all transactions and transfers of pistols in this category. So…it would seem ownership is not precluded, but they can’t be sold. It also looks like this goes into effect in January.

Gen 3 Glocks could still remain in production for other contracts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped production. The Gen 3 seems to be the “universal” model most after-market companies produce for, and is the model most clones are based on because the Gen 3 is also the most recent model to have gone past patent protection.
 
It is well past time to start charging some (all) of these clowns federally.
Title 18, U.S.C., Section 241 - Conspiracy Against Rights
Title 18, U.S.C., Section 242 - Deprivation of Rights Under Color of Law
Ten years behind bars might do some of these clowns some good. Until these people are held personally responsible nothing will change. They pass laws that they know will not pass muster, after a few years the law is found unconstitutional, they move a few commas and pass the same B.S. again. Funny how nothing is "settled law" until they get their way. 🤬 🤬 🤬 Come on NRA, GOA, et al. start using some of that lobbying mussel and push for indictments.

I agree, and after years of the same stuff over and over again, you realize it's just a game. Paid for with our tax dollars.

From what I’ve found on the “situation” is that striker fired pistols that use a cruciform trigger mechanism (such as the stamped metal Glock type cruciform trigger bar/sear.)

It also seems the wording is stopping all transactions and transfers of pistols in this category. So…it would seem ownership is not precluded, but they can’t be sold. It also looks like this goes into effect in January.

Gen 3 Glocks could still remain in production for other contracts, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they stopped production. The Gen 3 seems to be the “universal” model most after-market companies produce for, and is the model most clones are based on because the Gen 3 is also the most recent model to have gone past patent protection.

Should I sell my G19 now then? I hardly ever shoot it and have guns I like more.
 
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Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but am I right in thinking that the claim by those pushing the ban is that it's the trigger mechanism they are targeting because they claim it can be modified too easily into full auto?

If my understanding is correct, are there any figures around showing what threat this actually is? Are full-auto-Glock homicides more common or more deadly than those carried out by semi-auto handguns? I assume those pushing the legislation think they have a specific reason for doing so, even though it's clearly nonsense?
 
Not a legal thought, just a random one- Seems to me the type of low-life that would employ a rapid-fire device in a criminal act because he thinks it makes him a ‘bad *ss’ is likely rendered less of a threat. The mag will empty more quickly, less accurately, with fewer targets engaged. Of course, the emotional threat is greater….
 
Forgive my ignorance on the subject, but am I right in thinking that the claim by those pushing the ban is that it's the trigger mechanism they are targeting because they claim it can be modified too easily into full auto?

If my understanding is correct, are there any figures around showing what threat this actually is? Are full-auto-Glock homicides more common or more deadly than those carried out by semi-auto handguns? I assume those pushing the legislation think they have a specific reason for doing so, even though it's clearly nonsense?
No, it's because of an add-on device mostly imported from China (but I thibk can also be 3D printed) that attaches to the rear of a Glock and modifies the sear engagement.

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So, as shipped, Glocks don't normally work this way and were not designed to. Manufacturing is illegal unless you are a firearme manufacturer. Posession and use of the device is already regulated as a machine gun.
 
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No, it's because of an add-on device mostly imported from China (but I thibk can also be 3D printed) that attaches to the rear of a Glock and modifies the sear engagement.

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So, as shipped, Glocks don't normally work this way and were not designed to. Manufacturing is illegal unless you are a firearme manufacturer. Posession and use of the device is already regulated as a machine gun.

Ah, thanks.

Yeah I used to use Glocks fairly regularly so found this all rather perplexing.

So are there loads of killing attributed to these devices? And would those killings have been prevented if the device wasn’t (illegally) attached?

I assume it must have caused a load of deaths if they are going to the extent of outright banning certain firearms just in case they’re illegally modified…. Right?
 
Ah, thanks.

Yeah I used to use Glocks fairly regularly so found this all rather perplexing.

So are there loads of killing attributed to these devices? And would those killings have been prevented if the device wasn’t (illegally) attached?

I assume it must have caused a load of deaths if they are going to the extent of outright banning certain firearms just in case they’re illegally modified…. Right?
There are some, not very prevalent but since they are cheap and scary thugs will use them more and more. I, myself pay for my ammo so I have no use for these.

 
Should be, bye bye California.

What’s next? Banning gasoline because it makes cars go faster than posted speed limits?
Glock should just end all sales / support within California all together to include all LE, .gov, etc.
 
Should be, bye bye California.

What’s next? Banning gasoline because it makes cars go faster than posted speed limits?
Glock should just end all sales / support within California all together to include all LE, .gov, etc.

It’s funny you mention that…

Yes, but they’re banning gas engines to change the weather, not reduce speed.
 
Who cares. Solution is simple, don’t live in the People Republic of Kalifornia and if you do you deserve ZERO sympathy. You did this on yourselves.

I've heard - but can't prove it - that some people are born there, and some others are stationed there while serving. Might be other legit reasons to be there, but I doubt it. :rolleyes: (/sarcasm)
 
Who cares. Solution is simple, don’t live in the People Republic of Kalifornia and if you do you deserve ZERO sympathy. You did this on yourselves.
There’s 40 million people in California, you honestly think ALL of them vote for BS like this?

If you do….

The reality is that most of CA is shockingly conservative. Lots of red necks, cowboys, preppers and an absolute boatload of gun owner and shooters.

When I lived in San Diego I could shoot 3-5 excellent matches per week. Long range, cowboy action, shotgun, bullseye, IDPA, USPSA, 3 gun, tactical etc etc etc
 
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OK> It bans the sale of Glocks and Glock like pistols to citizens. Military and LEO are exempt and can still purchase. Citizens are unaffected in private sales . It's doubtful this will pass legal muster. They are banning a legal firearm because it could be illegally modified with an illegal device. This is akin to making steel pipes illegal because they could be made into pipe bombs. It's just another dumb law passed by stupid people about something they know nothing about
aka "DIMS"
 
In 1965, I, left Socal for Ohio. I could see the smoke from the "Watts" insurrection at the top of Sandia Pass in New Mexico.

At that time, Ohio was a "may issue" state with numerous city ordinances effectively banning all hand guns and pervasively regulating all firearms.

Ohio is now a Consitutional Carry state and all the city ordinances purporting to regulate firearms are illegal.

"They" have been whipped so throughly that "gun crime" is not a term used by even the "peaceful protest" "media." (THAT must make law-abiding guns happy.😁)
 
There are or will be some real bargains on the discontinued Glocks soon, IMO
 
Who cares. Solution is simple, don’t live in the People’s Republic of Kalifornia and if you do you deserve ZERO sympathy. You did this on yourselves.
No I did not , and neither did the thousands of other gun owners here that oppose the anti 2A bills/laws in this state. Last I checked we are all Americans here , not sure how living in a different state means we don't deserve the same rights . Also all of the gun owners in California care , our rights are being trampled on .
 
Unfortunately for the conservative, second amendment supporting Californians, the political controllers of the state are solidly democrat/leftist. The big cities in CA, with the majority of the population, are all blue democrat strongholds and vote democrats and their anti-firearm platform into office. I don't see this situation changing anytime soon; the democrats have had a number of years in power there and have worked diligently to consolidate that power over their opponents.
If one is a conservative, second amendment proponent living in CA, the only choices I see for them is to either put up with the continued erosion of their firearm rights or leave the state for a red location.
 
No I did not , and neither did the thousands of other gun owners here that oppose the anti 2A bills/laws in this state. Last I checked we are all Americans here , not sure how living in a different state means we don't deserve the same rights . Also all of the gun owners in California care , our rights are being trampled on .
 

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"blue"? So it's "Blue China"? "Blue Square" in Moscow? Mao's anthem was "The East is Blue"? The international Socialist anthem is "The Blue Flag." We had the "Blue Scare" just after WW I? The noivel was "Blue Storm Rising"? The movie was "Blue Dawn"?

Sorry, it's one of my pet peeves that ignorance rules the media.
 

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