Gas and fuel prices.


ezra45 said:
…should be coming down fairly quickly…
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Depends on the State? Albany Oregon is staying steady at $4.49/gallon, with other stations higher, I know of at least three stations in Oregon where it's over $5/gallon. I don't expect prices to come down as quickly in Oregon as other States
 
CamoDeafie82 said:
Depends on the State? Albany Oregon is staying steady at $4.49/gallon, with other stations higher, I know of at least three stations in Oregon where it's over $5/gallon. I don't expect prices to come down as quickly in Oregon as other States
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You and I are practically neighbors. Matches my expectations as well.

Paid $6.09/gal for diesel this morning. Last time I filled up I was away from my preferred station, paid $6.80/gal. That's why the other station is my preferred station.
 
Black5 said:
Yeah, some of us just seem to be slaves to responsibilities.
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Not sure I'm understanding this.

Every good thing I have in life has come to me by discipline, sacrifice, and hard work. Grasping responsibility firmly and and discharging that responsibility thoroughly always felt like opportunity, not slavery. Especially since it was me who chose the responsibilities.
 
OM617YOTA said:
Not sure I'm understanding this.

Every good thing I have in life has come to me by discipline, sacrifice, and hard work. Grasping responsibility firmly and and discharging that responsibility thoroughly always felt like opportunity, not slavery. Especially since it was me who chose the responsibilities.
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Ah. That's because it wasn't directed at anything you said. Therefore, you wouldn't understand the context of the sarcasm.

I happen to agree with what you said.
 
Danimalius said:
Gas and fuel prices. What about 'em? I just don't care any longer. Post 2020 I checked out and you guys can have it from here. When I look around, I am astounded at the number of people who still want to work for a living in the system. They're welcome to it. I just don't have the tolerance.
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I agree with you and I agree with the others.

I do think it is more possible, more do-able, to check out and stop being part of the system than most people realize.
 
OM617YOTA said:
You and I are practically neighbors. Matches my expectations as well.

Paid $6.09/gal for diesel this morning. Last time I filled up I was away from my preferred station, paid $6.80/gal. That's why the other station is my preferred station.
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Here in WA the second largest component of our fuel price is taxes... state and federal taxes (taxes are the largest single component for diesel). Our combined fuel tax and carbon tax per gallon is over $1, plus another ~19 (gas) to ~25 cents (diesel) for federal taxes. And the state tax goes up 2% a year.

From Google AI:

Key Fuel Tax Details (Effective July 1, 2025):
  • Gasoline: $0.554 per gallon (state rate).
  • Diesel: $0.828 per gallon (combined state/federal rate, July 2025–June 2026).
  • Carbon Fees: The Climate Commitment Act adds an estimated additional cost to both fuel types, sometimes cited as high as 50+ cents per gallon.
  • Local Taxes: Some counties and regional districts may levy an additional tax of up to 4.94 cents per gallon.
  • Crude Oil Cost Share: Crude oil typically represents 51% of the cost for a gallon of regular gasoline and 41% for diesel, according to EIA January 2026 data.
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The WA legislature is more of a threat to energy prices than the IRGC or Houthis, and we've had one-party control of the state since the mid-1990s. The only effective way to prep for this is to bug out.
 
It's open, oh no it's closed, no it's open, no, closed... The Iranian navy that was not supposed to exist anymore bacause it was obliterated has fired on oil tankers from gunboats. Et cetera.
Meanwhile, enjoy your somewhat affordable fuel. Here in France it's around 2.40 euros per liter, which is a bit over 11 dollars per US gallon; in the Netherlands it's approaching 3 euros per liter which is close to 14 dollars per gallon. Propane gas to heat our home with is going up ten percent. Don't even ask about groceries. Fortunately we have a veggy garden, chickens for eggs and fruit trees...

All that basically because in the past, the US and UK meddled to replace a moderate Iranian government with the shah, because that government wanted to nationalize it's country's oil fields so the Persian people could profit from that natural resource instead of letting foreign companies steal it. Which later led to the revolution against the shah and thus the religious zealots now in power and all the hoopla with international terrorism, ISIS and whatnot. The problem would have been solved by not having meddled there in the first place.

@obijohnkenobi, please don't heap places like Canada and Greenland with dictatorships that you would like to see invaded by the orange man to be made democratic and vote freely. They are already democratic, part of NATO and do vote freely, thank you very much - to not be part of the US, so they can keep their affordable health care, amongst other things. Like fresh baguettes for every sailor every day, no matter how far from home or how deep.

We need pie.

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fschwep said:
All that basically because in the past, the US and UK meddled to replace a moderate Iranian government with the shah,
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I've been aware of that ever since I had to sit next to Iranian military men taking classes with me at US Air Force tech school, Chanute AFB in the '70s. It still disappoints me greatly.
 
heldfast said:
As of this morning, Strait is closed ... again ... https://apnews.com/live/iran-war-israel-trump-04-18-2026

Here's a great break down of current global oil stocks measured in days:
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What this shows is the power struggle inside a fractured regime. The IRGC hardliners act as if they're in control. The politicians are willing to compromise with the Great Satan so the regime lives on until the opposition in the US regains control of the White House, because that's the lesson of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan... hold out until the feckless party takes control, then push, and you can win.

Of course, the feckless party, in their zeal against the current president, is doing everything they can to encourage our enemies to just hang on... help is on the way!

It's disgusting and enraging.
 
obijohnkenobe said:
What this shows is the power struggle inside a fractured regime. The IRGC hardliners act as if they're in control. The politicians are willing to compromise with the Great Satan so the regime lives on until the opposition in the US regains control of the White House, because that's the lesson of Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan... hold out until the feckless party takes control, then push, and you can win.

Of course, the feckless party, in their zeal against the current president, is doing everything they can to encourage our enemies to just hang on... help is on the way!

It's disgusting and enraging.
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It’s being reported that Iran re-shutdown the strait due to the US continuing a blockade on Iranian vessels and ports, after the Iranians declared it open. Why would they negotiate against themselves, getting nothing in return?

No need to start blaming those you see as political rivals to who you fancy. The US president unilaterally started this war without a coalition, without going to Congress, nor seeing through diplomacy. If things don’t go “according to plan” (if there even was a plan), he is ultimately responsible. With great power comes accountability for those same choices. Playing the blame game is simply an indication that those making the decisions were in over their head. During wartime, enabling and justifying such incompetence, while deflecting blame, is plain and simply disgusting.

…And yes, gas prices are up due to this.
 
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The Principal said:
It’s being reported that Iran re-shutdown the strait due to the US continuing a blockade on Iranian vessels and ports, after the Iranians declared it open. Why would they negotiate against themselves, getting nothing in return?

No need to start blaming those you see as political rivals to who you fancy. The US president unilaterally started this war without a coalition, without going to Congress, nor seeing through diplomacy. If things don’t go “according to plan” (if there even was a plan), he is ultimately responsible. With great power comes accountability for those same choices. Playing the blame game is simply an indication that those making the decisions were in over their head. During wartime, enabling and justifying such incompetence, while deflecting blame, is plain and simply disgusting.

…And yes, gas prices are up due to this.
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The Iranians 'shut down' the Strait because this is reflecting the power struggle going on inside Iran. Our blockade is biting; it's cutting off revenue and leading to a huge catastrophe where Iran is forced to shut down oil production at the well head because they'll run out of storage space (or they can let it spill over onto the ground). The Iranians have at least two ticking clocks: the lack of income and the lack of storage capacity, and both clocks run out in two weeks or so... before the end of April. I've heard there's a third clock: their Gulf State bankers are putting holds on Iranian bank accounts (both governmental and the individual 'slush fund' accounts of high-level officials). That means that the time to run for the hills with a bag of money is also fast expiring.

And this morning it's all over X that the leadership is engaged in significant bickering... the head of the IRGC doesn't want the two politicians going back to Islamabad to negotiate, thinks they're giving the store away, while the politicians are saying the head of the IRGC is foolishly leading the country to destruction. Both are right, one side will prevail, likely after some shooting because that's how policy disagreements are handled in the Islamic Republic.

The president has been upholding longstanding US policy (Iran cannot be allowed to possess nukes), and after Iran told the US to take a hike, they had enough uranium to make 10 bombs, and dared us by saying they "weren't going to give up diplomatically what the US couldn't take militarily." So, we had a choice: either accept that Iran was at the point of breakout and could have atomic bombs within weeks, or do something about it... and the president decided to do something about it. Diplomacy had failed, not because of the US or Trump but because diplomacy only works if the two sides have reconcilable differences. We don't, we will not accept Iran having nukes and Iran will not be diplomatically be dissuaded from getting nukes. Thus the use of force as a continuation of diplomacy as the only alternative against accepting a nuclear Iran. This choice is what too many people refuse to acknowledge. Iran was not going to voluntarily give up their nuclear ambitions, so the only choice left is to either accept it or compel them. The choice was Iran's, we just honored it.

Everyone who refuses to acknowledge this... @The Principal , the Europeans, the Democrats... is just living in a fictional world.
 
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The Iranians 'shut down' the Strait because this is reflecting the power struggle going on inside Iran. Our blockade is biting; it's cutting off revenue and leading to a huge catastrophe where Iran is forced to shut down oil production at the well head because they'll run out of storage space (or they can let it spill over onto the ground). The Iranians have at least two ticking clocks: the lack of income and the lack of storage capacity, and both clocks run out in two weeks or so... before the end of April. I've heard there's a third clock: their Gulf State bankers are putting holds on Iranian bank accounts (both governmental and the individual 'slush fund' accounts of high-level officials). That means that the time to run for the hills with a bag of money is also fast expiring.

And this morning it's all over X that the leadership is engaged in significant bickering... the head of the IRGC doesn't want the two politicians going back to Islamabad to negotiate, thinks they're giving the store away, while the politicians are saying the head of the IRGC is foolishly leading the country to destruction. Both are right, one side will prevail, likely after some shooting because that's how policy disagreements are handled in the Islamic Republic.

The president has been upholding longstanding US policy (Iran cannot be allowed to possess nukes), and after Iran told the US to take a hike, they had enough uranium to make 10 bombs, and dared us by saying they "weren't going to give up diplomatically what the US couldn't take militarily." So, we had a choice: either accept that Iran was at the point of breakout and could have atomic bombs within weeks, or do something about it... and the president decided to do something about it. Diplomacy had failed, not because of the US or Trump but because diplomacy only works if the two sides have reconcilable differences. We don't, we will not accept Iran having nukes and Iran will not be diplomatically be dissuaded from getting nukes. Thus the use of force as a continuation of diplomacy as the only alternative against accepting a nuclear Iran. This choice is what too many people refuse to acknowledge. Iran was not going to voluntarily give up their nuclear ambitions, so the only choice left is to either accept it or compel them. The choice was Iran's, we just honored it.

Everyone who refuses to acknowledge this... @The Principal , the Europeans, the Democrats... is just living in a fictional world.
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I won’t waste my time explaining how you are wrong; we’ll have to simply agree to disagree….. What I do want you to think about is how you will feel when the eventual “deal” with Iran involves unfreezing Iranian assets in exchange for them giving up their nuclear ambitions for a set period of time; essentially a similar deal that Trump backed out of in 2018.
 
Herself had me fill my Jeep up with gas back when this madness first started,,, I’m already down to 1/2 a tank; I don’t get out much when gas costs much,,, and naturally I’m not buying much else either,,, (well, nothing else)… Kind of a win for me,,, sit a home, read every day, smoke some tea,,, or drink some some infused selzer water,,, rave on into the nothingness about the needless deaths and other insanities of war,,, congressionally approved, or whatevered… I was always the anti war type,,, even when I was in the military,,, especially when I was in the military; doesn’t matter who’s in office… War is a money maker though,,, always has been…

Walking more,,, lost a couple of pounds,,, both positives… Certain sure do grieve over all the death and suffering,,, no matter how much money some folk are raking in… Be time to cut firewood soon,,, that’ll take a while,,, maybe use up a gallon of gas and some oil in the chainsaw and woodsplitter; seems no matter what I do, the rich folk get to profit from it… When I was younger, I cut and split all my firewood with quiet tools,,, the sort that once purchased, last generations… May come back to that,,, just takes longer,,, and builds character!
 
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The Principal said:
It’s being reported that Iran re-shutdown the strait due to the US continuing a blockade on Iranian vessels and ports, after the Iranians declared it open. Why would they negotiate against themselves, getting nothing in return?

No need to start blaming those you see as political rivals to who you fancy. The US president unilaterally started this war without a coalition, without going to Congress, nor seeing through diplomacy. If things don’t go “according to plan” (if there even was a plan), he is ultimately responsible. With great power comes accountability for those same choices. Playing the blame game is simply an indication that those making the decisions were in over their head. During wartime, enabling and justifying such incompetence, while deflecting blame, is plain and simply disgusting.

…And yes, gas prices are up due to this.
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Princi...

I'm not so sure that's an accurate response to what Obi was saying.... We're not negotiating with any sort of cohesive Power-broker Heirarchy in Iran.... as the Iranian Legislators have had certain abilities to shape policy within Iran, The Mullahs and their designees exercised immediate veto power.... The IRGC was the secret enforcement branch of the mullahs, and the Judiciary branch, rather than being closely associated with the justice system, were a secondary and more secretive action branch guided in lock step synchronicity with the Mullahs. Keeping this in mind, our State Department is negotiating with a strata of official who never had any say in guiding the actions of the IRGC. The IRGC relies on the Basij militias to randomly engage and threaten the people of Iran, and carry out executions violent attacks. These loosely organized militias can always be blamed if violent excess causes a stir among the people of Iran. The Iranian people in general belong to none of the above groups, and suport whichever group only superficially to avoid violent repercussions... In Venezuela, Delcy Rodriguez had enough power at hand to allow her , under very explicit threats from the US as to what non-compliance would bring, to reel in the overt power grabs of the various groups threatening the fragile atmosphere in Venezuela..... There is no such power broker in Iran..... Reza Pahlavi, Son of the Shah, has a similar situation to Maria Corina Machado... they are logical leaders, and likely to be elected if popular elections are held in either country, but they have no power to effect any sort of lasting peaceful transfer of power.... Which is probably the assessment of the State Department and the letter agencies, and is probably a leading reason why our President and our Secretary of State looked elsewhere to establish interim leadership.

Then there was the Kurds.... Having lived with and worked with the Kurds, my feelings are that they are wonderful and industrious workers.... and fairly pro-western. The sticking point with the Kurds is Western support for the governments of Syria and Turkey, both governments which are actively involved in violent repression of the Kurds desire for reinstatement of their homelands.... The Kurds are very tough fighters, but very convinced that they deserve to be reinstated to their ancestral homelands, and they do not trust or ally themselves with anyone who does not vocally support that claim.... Our State Department probably advanced effort at convincing the Kurds that such support would be forthcoming if they helped pacify Iran. Trump and Rubio's lack of vocal support for the Kurdish to be reinstated probably led to that plan having to be "re-ordered".... there are rumors floating around that the US sent small arms and material support to the Kurds, for the Kurds to deliver to Iranian civilians in support of a general uprising. Ed Abbey once said that the US should give a rifle and 20 rounds to each Campesino coming across our southern border.... the theory that those peasants would know who their enemies were and take matters into their own hands.... That strategy did not appear to work out so well with the Kurds.... But I do believe the Kurds are now extremely well equipped, and I believe the State Department and the letter agencies are OK with them being well-armed.... I do believe that they will play aa role in whatever eventually happens in Iran.

Stops and starts are always part of the peace process for ending open hostilities. That's the very predictable phase this operation is in right now. It's a messy messy phase.... which is especially to be expected because Iran is Iran. More stops and starts are going to come, because if the Houthi/Hezbollah/Hamas situation is not definitively stomped out, (and you should definitely add the Basij and the IRGC to those lists, the militias operating pretty freely in Iraq currently, and a host of other Iranian proxy rabid dogs.... ) there will be a host of regional Islamicist militias trying to fill that power vacuum.

Our president acted decisively , and I believe with enough vision of what all this would entail, to encompass all the above stuff I've listed... I believe that this is the only possible way to pacify such a violent region. He's facing 47 years of coalition building that profits HUGELY from the human misery created and fostered by the Islamicists. Had Trump given forewarnings to the Democrats, the Brits, the French, or any of the other Post Turtles and Nato sycophants, This whole thing could not have happened.... Europe, China, Russia the Democrats, the NATO lapdogs, International Financiers, International Insurance Brokers.... ALL are profiting from the war and strife in that region.... EVERY SINGLE entity listed above would have done all within their power to cause this plan to fail.... Every single entity listed here wants desperately for this incursion and for this Cease Fire to fail.

Just my two cents worth ... I think Trump and Rubio are on the right path.... I think they are on a huge humanitarian quest.... Peace and Liberty has a chance to break out worldwide.... and I think that goal is achievable and noble. I think there's a long road ahead for this plan, and I think that three quarters of the world's leaders would just as soon see Trump assassinated as succeed.... and my sneaking hunch is that the beginning of WWIII / The Apocalypse will be linked to a violent intercession of Trump's plan.

Have you guys noticed that the price of regular gas comes down much quicker than the price of diesel or premium grades.... What's up with THAT...
 
The President has indicated the uranium is not a present threat, and we have the capability to stop anyone from trying to dig it out at any time; that threat is inactive at present.
The strait is the focal point right now. Regime change on down the road, acquisition of the uranium after that. The strait is the focus because that's oil, gas, fertilizer for the majority of the planet, and food and logistics for everybody. I think OJK is sniffing the right sign; the Iranian bureaucrats may be thinking they can keep the strait open until our midterms, then renegotiate to keep their uranium with our feckless (undeclared center-left third party that cross the aisle) Congress. But they don't control the IRGC, and IRGC has two non-negotiables. There's no deal to be made here. Israel, as our President has repeatedly said, has its own agenda. We can keep meeting in Pakistan to enjoy the weather and food, but at this point there's only two options and neither one is a deal.

No matter, keep your tanks and cans full, and maybe rethink that new RV and road trip for the summer, or flying, or sailing, or ordering things from overseas ... and maybe start composting and get some heirloom seeds.
 
The Principal said:
I won’t waste my time explaining how you are wrong; we’ll have to simply agree to disagree….. What I do want you to think about is how you will feel when the eventual “deal” with Iran involves unfreezing Iranian assets in exchange for them giving up their nuclear ambitions for a set period of time; essentially a similar deal that Trump backed out of in 2018.
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If that deal is with a new Iranian government that no longer includes the mullahs or the IRGC, and the set period of time is 'forever' then it's a good deal.

In war, things are always at their worst when it's close to the end. The Battle of the Bulge was Nazi Germany's last shot at preventing total defeat and it was horrific. The Battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa were Imperial Japan's last shots at dissuading us from invading due to the high casualties (the US Navy lost more sailors at Okinawa than the troops killed on the island itself, due to kamikazes). It's going to get worse in Iran because the mullahs and IRGC still hold out hope that they can endure and prevail, that Europe and Democrats will flinch and put pressure on Trump to back down. Imagine how WWII would have ended if the Republicans had threatened to impeach FDR over Dresden or Hamburg, or over the Pacific island hopping casualties. That is what happened in Vietnam (from Democrats), and why we lost strategically after winning militarily... same as in Afghanistan. In Iran, we just need to continue the blockade and let it work.

We need to be prepared to see the Iranians escalate, and see it for what it is... an act of desperation to stave off the inevitable. If they do, we need to respond overwhelmingly to break their will or kill the hardliners. War is an extension of diplomacy when talking fails, and a contest of wills. The side that lacks resolve loses, even if they prevail militarily. In the US it's the feckless party that believes that the most powerful nation in the history of the world cannot prevail against a two-bit dictatorship after destroying their offensive power, and so urges us to take the path to defeat as rational based on their lack of resolve.

No thanks.
 
Wow.
Not e-z to defeat ideological fascists. May take more than a few weeks for the USA to do it in iran. But when that is done there are more to deal with.
Anything worth doing is worth doing well and today is a good day to do that.
Glad we have such good leadership and a great ally such as Israel.
I am very proud of our president and military. Happy to see those fanatics taken down and support further military action if it is necessary.
 
obijohnkenobe said:
If that deal is with a new Iranian government that no longer includes the mullahs or the IRGC, and the set period of time is 'forever' then it's a good deal.

In war, things are always at their worst when it's close to the end. The Battle of the Bulge was Nazi Germany's last shot at preventing total defeat and it was horrific. The Battles of Iwo Jima and Okinawa were Imperial Japan's last shots at dissuading us from invading due to the high casualties (the US Navy lost more sailors at Okinawa than the troops killed on the island itself, due to kamikazes). It's going to get worse in Iran because the mullahs and IRGC still hold out hope that they can endure and prevail, that Europe and Democrats will flinch and put pressure on Trump to back down. Imagine how WWII would have ended if the Republicans had threatened to impeach FDR over Dresden or Hamburg, or over the Pacific island hopping casualties. That is what happened in Vietnam (from Democrats), and why we lost strategically after winning militarily... same as in Afghanistan. In Iran, we just need to continue the blockade and let it work.

We need to be prepared to see the Iranians escalate, and see it for what it is... an act of desperation to stave off the inevitable. If they do, we need to respond overwhelmingly to break their will or kill the hardliners. War is an extension of diplomacy when talking fails, and a contest of wills. The side that lacks resolve loses, even if they prevail militarily. In the US it's the feckless party that believes that the most powerful nation in the history of the world cannot prevail against a two-bit dictatorship after destroying their offensive power, and so urges us to take the path to defeat as rational based on their lack of resolve.

No thanks.
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Exactly, Obi..... and well stated!!

Heldfast.... I think The President realizes that the main threats are the Uranium in whatever state it is in, as long as it is inside the borders of Iran, and maybe not so much the closure of the Strait, but the control of the strait.... there's a difference, I think... A negotiated lasting settlement might be more acceptable, or even preferable to the complete destruction of the regime with bombs.... I can't see any way that any agreement that leaves the Islamic State structure alive , let alone with any intact structure. I think Trump overestimated the ability to bring whatever faction of the Islamic State to the table. Trump keeps repeating that no money will be exchanged.... That phraseology does bother me. Does that mean an electronic transfer, or a simple release of frozen funds MAY occur? I wouldn't like that.... But I'm not closing the deal.... and I don't think Trump would release funds to the Islamic State. Or to any organization who might turn the cash over to the Islamic State.

I like the way that Obi laid it out... Stuff gets desperate the closer we get to the end.... Trump has been emphatic that no nukes EVER is a red line. So if the Iranians are refusing to give up their nuclear aspirations, I can see Trump giving the go ahead to total reduction of Iran's infrastructure.... bye bye power plants bye bye oil production. bye bye transportation infrastructure.... and stick with the blockade... At some point a reasonable person would think that the Islamic State would capitulate...but I don't think those folks are reasonable....

And I do not mourn those who die for their cause. Regardless of the cause. If you take up arms, at some point you will probably face someone trying to kill you. The first time you realize that that guy , right there, on the field of battle, is ready and capable of killing you in support of THEIR cause, it's quite a revelation. The Islamic State took up arms, and they took up arms against their own people. They killed unarmed people. They tortured their own people. I have sympathy for their victims. I have no sympathy for them. I have said it before... the Iran that Iranian civilians were living in under the Islamic State was far worse than an Iran with greatly degraded infrastructure, but no Islamic State. The Islamic State must be crushed, and crushed beyond any ability to reconstruct itself. And any settlement must include absolutely no quarter or mercy for the Islamic State. And there can be no tolerance for any reorganization of these animals.

Just my two cents worth....
 
Has anyone noticed the absolute lack of actual military support from any of the other Gulf countries, notably Saudi Arabia, Yemen, and UAE? Gee I wonder why. Oh yeah. Because the Israelis are engaging with Iran along with the US.

The issue with trying to crush the Islamic Republic government and ensuring it won't come back.. is that they have a whole lot of fanatics, a whole lot of supporting terrorists from outside Iran, the whole IRGC, and much of the military....

Also, the ISIL/ISIS (the organization that Iran was actually fighting for a while) would love nothing more than to bring the country of Iran into their fold, and is perfectly willing to wait until the US/Israel destroys the government as much as possible before moving in and gaining the support of much of the local militias and military units.... And this would give them a place to rebuild before they try to take Syria again, along with Lebanon, and so forth. More of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss"



Edit. Gas prices are staying steady at $4.49/gallon in Albany Oregon, Costco is $4.45/gallon, some other stations are dropping to around $4.59/gallon.
 
*ZAP* said:
Took nuking two cities to get Japan to quit.
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Yes but Japan didnt have a global network of Bushido/Shinto/Samurai fanatics which could continue to fight for the glory of the Empire of Japan, and for affirmations from their God-Head of Shinto (Emperor)
 
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