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Whiner!Why are you going into the preparedness section and sowing discontent? Why?
I am seriously confused. I was browsing the thread about the American Dream. I see comment after comment from names that were prominent about wanting the button to ignore a thread. And yet, here you are!
I mean, really now. Some of you guys pissed and moaned so much the mods gave you the button, and yet time after time, there you are. I don't get it. Are you just wanting to cause trouble? Looking for attention? What compels you to do this?
I browse through a lot of threads. It's winter and I don't spend much time outside, so I spend time here. There are threads and posts I have no interest in or don't agree with. I don't crap all over them.
Why do some of you feel the need to crap on someone else's threads?
You did replyNah man itโs good.
Your words have zero effect on my day to day life.
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An often-used ego defense mechanism is called 'displacement' -- transferring one's pent-up anger/frustration from a dangerous or unassailable target onto a safe one. The prime example is coming home after getting a major a**-chewing from the boss, and kicking the cat.
Some people use social media boards as a displacement target. Our "cat" (or one of them) is Preparedness.
And then, "Some men just want to watch the world burn." -- Alfred Pennyworth to Bruce Wayne in The Dark Knight.
Some people use social media boards as a displacement target. Our "cat" (or one of them) is Preparedness.
And then, "Some men just want to watch the world burn." -- Alfred Pennyworth to Bruce Wayne in The Dark Knight.
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I just looked into the American Dream thread. Folks are discussing their thoughts on the American Dream. Those discussions do not always agree.Why are you going into the preparedness section and sowing discontent? Why?
I am seriously confused. I was browsing the thread about the American Dream. I see comment after comment from names that were prominent about wanting the button to ignore a thread. And yet, here you are!
I mean, really now. Some of you guys pissed and moaned so much the mods gave you the button, and yet time after time, there you are. I don't get it. Are you just wanting to cause trouble? Looking for attention? What compels you to do this?
I browse through a lot of threads. It's winter and I don't spend much time outside, so I spend time here. There are threads and posts I have no interest in or don't agree with. I don't crap all over them.
Why do some of you feel the need to crap on someone else's threads?
That's what makes it a discussion! Now you seem to have a problem with people disagreeing. You seem to call disagreement "crapping on the thread".
WHY? Why not let people reasonably discuss the subject of the thread.
If you are confused as to folks disagreeing in their discussions, then maybe you just don't get it.
I see no "sowing of discontent", just people expressing their own point of view.
Discussion of a subject should always include all sides. Otherwise it's just BS.
How someone chooses to use the "ignore" feature is their own business. My friend, I believe you overstep and are bordering on trolling.
And just for the record, I consider the "American Dream thread" political and won't be adding my thoughts to it.
Victor
No man - you missed the point entirely. The OP is about those people who complained about the discussion even being held. Not about the other side of the discussion.
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You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
(said and meant in a joking manner)I get what you are saying. I don't agree with it, but I get it. And I accept it.
In my opinion there is way too much negativity in our country today. In my opinion the Dream thread was intended as a positive thread. To show that people can still achieve the dream in our country.
Then come the folks who say the Dream is dead. Good God man. Talk about a downer! Not coincidentally, most of the ones saying the Dream is dead are the ones who wanted to be able to ignore the preparedness forum. See the connection I'm talking about here?
That's not discussion. That's crapping on someone. In my opinion.
An example, made up, comes to mind:
Someone is wanting to make a friction fire. They are having trouble doing it and wonder if they can or not. Someone pops in and says it's impossible. Never happen. No way.
That person isn't having a discussion. That person is pooping on someone else.
Now If that person, instead, offers advice and encouragement. Maybe suggesting different methods. Different tools. Etc. Now THAT is a discussion.
And that's my opinion of it.
To look is human nature, unfortunately.
To stop your vehicle, get out and scream at the participants is another matter entirely.
No, I don't think so. There were two or three people who hinted at their opinion that the discussion was not bushcraft.
That's not crapping on the thread. That is their expressing their view of the validity of the content of the thread within a bushcraft forum's rules.
There are alot more than two sides to any discussion.
Victor
for the past 3 years I've paid this place $17 a month almost nonstop for my hobbyist membership, and I continue to purchase supporter memberships as I feel the desire to, so I have no idea what you're on about. The only thing I'm "entitled" to is my own opinion, and I've shared it. Whether you like it or agree with it isn't my problem.
Yup. The person who started the thread stated that directly in one of their comments. Looks like it backfired. I have to say I don't really understand the motivation behind trying to 'show' people can still do something. Especially when it's not realistic.
I do disagree with the example you chose. It'd be more like people discussing the fact that you can't paddle a canoe up Niagara Falls, but then someone chimes in, uninvited, to say that back in HIS day, they paddled up the falls with no issue, and that anyone who can't do it is just being lazy and having a bad attitude. Then it turns out the newcomer was lucky enough to be visiting the Falls in 1969 when the water was diverted and was able to simply walk up a staircase while carrying his canoe. Like, sure thing buddy, you made it to the top all on your own. All through your hard work, sure you did. In any case, people's discomfort at hearing bad news is really not anyone's biggest concern. Like someone's spouse gets murdered and you complain that they're depressing to be around. I won't pretend I'm such social expert but some folks I've seen on here could really learn how to read the room. If you don't like seeing the bad things, maybe take action to fix the situation, or keep your opinions to yourself.
No John, the question was "Is the American dream dead?"You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
I get what you are saying. I don't agree with it, but I get it. And I accept it.
In my opinion there is way too much negativity in our country today. In my opinion the Dream thread was intended as a positive thread. To show that people can still achieve the dream in our country.
Then come the folks who say the Dream is dead. Good God man. Talk about a downer! Not coincidentally, most of the ones saying the Dream is dead are the ones who wanted" to be able to ignore the preparedness forum. See the connection I'm talking about here?
That's not discussion. That's crapping on someone. In my opinion.
An example, made up, comes to mind:
Someone is wanting to make a friction fire. They are having trouble doing it and wonder if they can or not. Someone pops in and says it's impossible. Never happen. No way.
That person isn't having a discussion. That person is pooping on someone else.
Now If that person, instead, offers advice and encouragement. Maybe suggesting different methods. Different tools. Etc. Now THAT is a discussion.
And that's my opinion of it.
The OP asked for both sides yes or no and why.
If you find that a downer that's your problem not their's. Not everyone sees these things the same. You are judging others and discounting their point of view by your lens.
Discussion is all sides of an issue, otherwise you are in the echo chamber. Just because you don't like the other sides views doesn't make them wrong.
Victor
Maybe I'm wrong, but I view repeatedly challenging the validity of a useful thread to be the very definition of crapping on the thread. You could argue that some threads deserve to be crapped on, but I will take the position that the thread in question is not one of them.
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What I'm on about? You said that charging a few dollars to access some extra features was "sinister."
You produce knives. If I want one, is it sinister for you to set the price and require payment?
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Every day at lunch break a guy complained about his sandwich.
Every day.
Finally, one day ......
His coworker said "Ask your wife to make something else "
His reply.
"My wife doesn't make them, I do."
Every day.
Finally, one day ......
His coworker said "Ask your wife to make something else "
His reply.
"My wife doesn't make them, I do."
I won't say it's right or wrong, but challenging the validity of a thread according to the rules of the forum, has become a matter of opinion.
By the letter of the rules political discussion has no place here.
By the spirit of the forum some politics are valid. As members I believe we have the right to voice our opinion on that validity.
I don't dispute the American dream Thread's usefulness in context; that is for the Forum Administration to decide.
I do oppose the OP of this thread discounting the views of those who say "yes the American Dream is dead".
For many folks it is dead. They answered the question that was asked.
Victor
First and very likely the last time Iโll post on a thread thatโs probably going to end up going up in flames. The thread in discussion โIs the American Dream dead?โ is literally a question asking for folks to answer and explain why they answered that way. I read some of it this morning and people were doing just that. Iโm not sure what that has to do with preparedness, but whatever. I donโt understand being upset when people were doing exactly what they were asked to do. I also donโt understand asking a specific question and then arguing with people who donโt respond the way you want them to. If I ask somebody a question itโs because I legitimately want their response. Asking someone a question just so I can argue with their answer if I donโt agree with it seems a bit like baiting.
@Creaky Bones i โlikedโ your post because I agree with it completely. To be fair, the OP of this thread wasnโt the person who started the American Dream thread in the preparedness section. Also to be fair I believe heโs stated that he doesnโt like to use the ignore feature for threads OR individuals yet he makes threads about forum behavior by the same individuals that he doesnโt like, soooโฆ
Agreed. I know @gohammergo isnโt the OP of the other thread. Itโs just the thread in question and there was no disrespect aimed towards John at all.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong it may be.
I get what you are saying. I don't agree with it, but I get it. And I accept it.
In my opinion there is way too much negativity in our country today. In my opinion the Dream thread was intended as a positive thread. To show that people can still achieve the dream in our country.
Then come the folks who say the Dream is dead. Good God man. Talk about a downer! Not coincidentally, most of the ones saying the Dream is dead are the ones who wanted to be able to ignore the preparedness forum. See the connection I'm talking about here?
That's not discussion. That's crapping on someone. In my opinion.
An example, made up, comes to mind:
Someone is wanting to make a friction fire. They are having trouble doing it and wonder if they can or not. Someone pops in and says it's impossible. Never happen. No way.
That person isn't having a discussion. That person is pooping on someone else.
Now If that person, instead, offers advice and encouragement. Maybe suggesting different methods. Different tools. Etc. Now THAT is a discussion.
And that's my opinion of it.
Dontcha just love it when people intentionally mischaracterize what you said, then produce an argument based on their mischaracterization and try to get you to defend what they mischaracterized you saying while totally ignoring what you actually said?
I questioned the validity of the thread more than anyone, so sorry if I offended anyone...it is a 100% political topic, though. I usually don't say anything in these kinds of threads, but I was feeling extra cranky, I guess. I'll probably hold off next time.
I will say, the way the thread developed was exactly how I expected it to go...it was always gonna be either a patriotic "everything is A-OK" echo chamber, or an argument.
I will say, the way the thread developed was exactly how I expected it to go...it was always gonna be either a patriotic "everything is A-OK" echo chamber, or an argument.
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No offense taken on my part. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. What a boring world if everybody thought the same thing.
Paul Caruso
Being all that I am.
In my search for wisdom I have discovered that the people who are emphatic in their display of traits are always of the opposite of what they are emphatic about.
The one's who profess to ignore, are the one's who want to see the garbage, and when they find themselves getting upset by it and behaving terribly they ignore. Ironically, or oxymoronically, not only will they ignore something, they will make sure that they tell everybody that they are ignoring something, to bring attention the the thing that they are ignoring.
It seems something sinister has taken hold when one complains about having to pay for an ignore button on a computer screen when, there is the ability to not engage. I guess there is a sucker born every minute. This is the same mentality that hangs out to watch car crash victims instead of helping.
The one's who profess to ignore, are the one's who want to see the garbage, and when they find themselves getting upset by it and behaving terribly they ignore. Ironically, or oxymoronically, not only will they ignore something, they will make sure that they tell everybody that they are ignoring something, to bring attention the the thing that they are ignoring.
It seems something sinister has taken hold when one complains about having to pay for an ignore button on a computer screen when, there is the ability to not engage. I guess there is a sucker born every minute. This is the same mentality that hangs out to watch car crash victims instead of helping.
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant"
Please re- read. There is no mischaractorization other than in your own mind.
Go ahead, you can do it... Just try. Don't be afraid.
Victor
"I know that you believe you understand what you think I said,
but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant"
Please re- read. There is no mischaractorization other than in your own mind.
Go ahead, you can do it... Just try. Don't be afraid.
Victor
Odd, I didn't name anyone in my post, but yet here you are replying to my post.
@OrienM I didnโt see that thread as political at all (until one member couldnโt help but bring illegal immigration into the thread). I saw it as questioning whether or not a โgoodโ life could still be had here in this country with the rising cost of living, inflation, job prospects etc
Other than labeling it the โAmericanโ dream I donโt know that OUR dream is any different than anyone else living around the world. All people want a good life, good health and happiness at homeโAmericans donโt have a monopoly on that hope
Other than labeling it the โAmericanโ dream I donโt know that OUR dream is any different than anyone else living around the world. All people want a good life, good health and happiness at homeโAmericans donโt have a monopoly on that hope
I believe if you asked what a Hershey candy bar contains youโs get answers from cocoa/sugar all the way to cottage cheese and vinegar.
AH, the first post you quoted was an answer to ME by my good friend @gohammergo where you maliciously and falsely
alluded that I had mischaracterized what he said; without a shred of proof.
Where as I quoted @gohammergo directly in answering where my opinion disagreed with his. No mischaracterization, as most of us can read.
Then feigning innocence, you pretend you did not mean me.
Not unexpected from a person that CROWS about getting folks banned.
Victor
