Do you mean George Carlin...I would rather ask Bob Hope or maybe Jack Benny. No wait I know...Lou Costello.
Is the American Dream Dead?
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So many negative people in this thread. I thought I was a pessimist. A bunch of y'all just gave up. Defeated. Easier to be a victim than to fight. Another symptom of our failing nation.
My faith in humanity makes me want to think the TPUSA numbers were greatly inflated, but a lifetime of living amongst humanity has convinced me that I am overly optimistic in regards to that faith… Still, a fella ought to be free to express any view he pleases, and follow any form of media that supports his views, and without my commentary on any of it…
(The strengths and failings of my convictions are usually on full display in my comments…)
I don’t know how anyone who has taken the time to read the translated lyrics from the halftime show can defend that. If it were in English the backlash would be severe.
Personally, I couldn’t care less how many live viewers that the TPUSA show had vs. the SB halftime show. I never watch the halftime show anyhow. Having 5-6 million live viewers should be looked at as a success for the TPUSA show. That being said, it’s nowhere near the viewership of the SB halftime show or other live streamed events, historically.
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I wish they had a half like. I support much of what you said but am saddened by your seeming disdain for those who might have watched the program that you wouldn't align with.
That said, most people who "watched"the SP broadcast version, were grabbing a bathroom break, a quickie, or making nachos for the second half. So it should be understood that a lot of that viewership was by default, and the other was a show of support for a viewpoint that seemed to be headed the way of the Dodo and after overreach/ overconfidence by the left has experienced a resurgence.
I may not support my governments current policies completely but I can't remember a time in the 40+ years I've been aware of them that I did.
Nope. I think there are a lots of Christians in this country. Many who never speak.
My answer to all those questions is yes*. And I live in Europe. Plus I can add affordable health care and education for everyone to the equation.
It seems that one can find a lot of things that were described by Adams as the American Dream in Europe today (which was not really the case when he wrote those words, but we made some improvements).
But I cannot answer the original question as I'm not American. It was never my dream.
So...you just stopped by to tell us how wonderful europe is and look down your nose a bit?
Yea I am not sure why anybody that is not America is even commenting on this thread. They know nothing about the American dream.
We have plenty of people that pop off on here about how bassackwards Europe is in their opinion, so I would just look at it as "turnabout being fair play".
I would assume that many potential immigrants in yesteryear would dream about emigrating to and being an American to live the American Dream… These days I am also assuming this is less common.
Is your healthcare and education more affordable than ours? If so, why do you think that is?
My ancestors literally risked everything to escape Europe.
The only European country I've been to is Germany. While I enjoyed the food, booze and the people I worked with I could never be happy living there. In fact some of the people I worked with proclaimed their desire to immigrate here...especially those who were interested in hunting, fishing or the shooting sports.
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No doubt the NFL halftime show was watched by more, never said otherwise.
I do take offense with your skirt showing when you slyly say "inflated numbers". I sourced my data, and it is not hard to verify that the numbers were close to 10 million... Just one stream (of numerous streams on Youtube) was 6.1 million (Source: NYTimes)... I was watching personally on Rumble with +/-400,000k viewers (wasn't impressed with the Rumble stream because it cut out a couple times and had to quickly reload the stream).
What does 10 million mean in the scheme of things? Well advertisers pay a lot of money to reach everyone they can. 1/10th less reach (using your number of 100 million) does make a dent in leverage the NFL has the next year for ad prices.
I stopped watching Halftime shows even before "N*ppl*G*t*" with the "wardrobe malfunction" (accidental they claimed). I like marching bands like I said, and mostly College Football. I certainly didn't care to listen to this year's event where the "F" word was used multiple times (against FCC rules btw). I am not overtly fond of guys that often wears dresses either (make of that what you will). I am told the broadcasters did manage to mute one of the "F" words by the Green Day group. I watched a clip of the Superbowl crowd during the performance and even they looked unimpressed. Generic rap (Ta da daaa, Ta da daaa) that you couldn't understand, only allowed a few to appreciate the show. One probable does not have to understand the language to enjoy certain music, we have seen a few songs over the years that are so catchy they have good cross over appreciation, but the SB Bad Bunny artist didn't seem to have it dialed in (again judging by the footage I watched).
Final thoughts, for short notice, I was quite impressed with the output that TPUSA put on... yes I think Kid Rock had a backup track used, not a fan of his, but t.b.h, I actually liked one of his songs. The instrumental song was a little out of place, and being I don't keep up with modern Country music, I liked some of the country songs.
I guess everyone could be happy I am not in charge of the Superbowl entertainment... It would be mostly obscure 80s synth-pop songs... but you would be able to understand the lyrics.
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The American Dream is not dead.
I've been pondering this for awhile now. My grandparents immigrated here from Austria. Before he died, he owned a large farm. Owned it. Not owed on it. It wasn't given to him, he worked for it.
My dad was the first generation born here. Most of his life he was self employed, doing logging and then landscaping. He had trucks and equipment. And employees. He bought and owned acreage as well.
I'm second generation American. About half of my career has been self employed. I own land too. In my 60+ years, I've only had to rent less than two years of my adult life. The rest of the time I've owned where I live. I've taken out maybe 6 loans my entire life. What I have done, is worked. Hard.
My son owns his own place and will be building a new house soon. He is self employed and has been except for about 2 years of his life.
My daughter owns her own place and has a very good job in Healthcare. She is contemplating self employment in the coming years.
In my opinion, and it's not something I'm going to argue about, if you think the dream is dead, you have no dream. You should re-examine what is in your heart and your head.
The lesson I was taught, and passed on:
If you say you can, you are right.
If you say you can't, you are also right.
Remember:
Winners never quit, and quitters never win.
I've been pondering this for awhile now. My grandparents immigrated here from Austria. Before he died, he owned a large farm. Owned it. Not owed on it. It wasn't given to him, he worked for it.
My dad was the first generation born here. Most of his life he was self employed, doing logging and then landscaping. He had trucks and equipment. And employees. He bought and owned acreage as well.
I'm second generation American. About half of my career has been self employed. I own land too. In my 60+ years, I've only had to rent less than two years of my adult life. The rest of the time I've owned where I live. I've taken out maybe 6 loans my entire life. What I have done, is worked. Hard.
My son owns his own place and will be building a new house soon. He is self employed and has been except for about 2 years of his life.
My daughter owns her own place and has a very good job in Healthcare. She is contemplating self employment in the coming years.
In my opinion, and it's not something I'm going to argue about, if you think the dream is dead, you have no dream. You should re-examine what is in your heart and your head.
The lesson I was taught, and passed on:
If you say you can, you are right.
If you say you can't, you are also right.
Remember:
Winners never quit, and quitters never win.
Well it is right now. But during the last administration they jumped the boarder like it was a rope. They still want to come, we just aren’t letting them.
After reading through all this for a couple weeks now, some things come to mind. First is what is “The American Dream”? Someone stated early that AI said it was “the governments protection of the opportunity to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” That not exactly right. It’s the governments job to defend our “Right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” A simple change of wording but it is the wording of our constitution. You create your opportunity. You have that right.
The American Dream can mean many things to people. Heck some just dream of getting to America! I will say for me, I am living my American Dream.
The American Dream can mean many things to people. Heck some just dream of getting to America! I will say for me, I am living my American Dream.
I certainly am not speaking about illegal immigration. Policy against illegal immigration has had bipartisan support, but has hit a political deadlock. I am specifically speaking about the dream that immigrants have that apply for work visas, and eventually apply for US citizenship. Like it or not, the US needs legal immigrants to fuel our economic engine, in science/technology, agriculture, general laborers, and the service industry. Unfortunately, we aren’t much of a destination these days.
Weird…I wonder why we have so many immigrants (illegal or otherwise) coming here in such volume
Weird that you can’t understand that I am speaking about Legal immigration.
Weird that you don’t think legal immigrants are still trying to come to this country in huge numbers. I know you like to point out others supposed lack of reading comprehension…perhaps you glossed over the part where I wrote “illegal or OTHERWISE”
But I also know your opinions and statements are the only correct ones, so my bad
Seems like you are arguing against someone else or an argument that I am not making. Let me state what I said in another manner… The US isn’t as much of a destination for the best and the brightest, hardest working, legal immigrants, these days.
If you are disagreeing that is fine, but no need to act so triggered and myopic.
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So, to be clear…you’re saying the immigrants that are coming to our country aren’t necessarily the best, brightest or hard working.
Got it
As I think I stated earlier in this thread, everything is a bell curve. I’m pretty sure that every person that’s ever immigrated to this country has fallen somewhere on that curve. The best, brightest and hardest working to the worst, dumbest and most slovenly. And I’m guessing that the vast majority of them came here with a dream of having a better life…heretofore coined “The American Dream”. Our country has ALWAYS been, and still is, “that” destination
Nope… didn’t say what you said I said… I said “The US isn’t as much of a destination for the best and the brightest, hardest working, legal immigrants, these days.”
If you need me to help you understand what I wrote, please PM me. I don’t feel the need to clutter the thread explaining plain English to you, over and over again.
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That's me, sharing the love equally!Which side are you on?
You just artfully wrote a poetic love letter of your interpretation of the thematic meaning behind the halftime show.. I wasn't even interested in watching the halftime show until I read this..
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Now you know why Malo Rabito (actually Conejito Malo but I like my appelation better... me gusta más mi nombre, para ustedes fans de Bad Bunny) sang in Spanish. The message wasn't for Americans, but for "Americans" (everyone living in the Western Hemisphere south of the US border). You weren't supposed to understand it, it was to La Raza. Roger Goodell could care less about football, only about money, and he could care less about alienating US football fans... he figures it as "where are they gonna go?" If it takes selling out the US, well, it's just business.
Well, football fans? Is Goodell right and you're going to keep taking the abuse?
The NFL is a global brand, which they are looking to expand. Bad Bunny is the largest streaming artist on Spotify. It’s good business.
From my perspective, the only reason the mags are so triggered by the Bad Bunny show is because Trump projected this opinion onto them. This was after BB’s anti-ICE comments and the fact that Trump has consistently been anti-NFL since his bids to become an owner were rejected 3x over the years.
Keep in mind, it’s not Goodell’s job to pick who Trump wants to pick as half time artist. My guess is that most that have issue with Bad Bunny don’t even realize that he is a US citizen. If anyone alienated football fans, it was Trump…. Why else would someone prefer to watch a 55 year old, who calls himself “Kid”, lip synch to 30 year old music, in jorts. Lol. (Just kidding)
Personally I don’t think I ever listened to a Bad Bunny song; I don’t care for that type of music. I rarely if ever watch the SB halftime show... I am actually getting quite a kick out of how hot and bothered some are getting about it.
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